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#14 Sacramental Cats and Hungry Deer: Dave Koetje on Refugia Amid COVID
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#14 Sacramental Cats and Hungry Deer: Dave Koetje on Refugia Amid COVID

Biologist Dave Koetje talks with host Debra Rienstra about how the COVID-19 pandemic has altered his ideas about refugia. Also: Zoom worship, garden pests, and stepping-stone refugia.

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